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seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-6 17:23

本帖最后由 seancanada 于 2009-9-6 18:40 编辑

Hi Gaochao,

sorry for not being able to type Chinese in my computer.
I really appreciate your critical thinking. I had the exact questions about Bible befor as you have now. I am still looking for the answers of some questions although I believe in Christianity now. For example, Why God kill so many people, some of them are totally innocent ?why God some times looks cruel ?
Why this, why that. I had always been debating with Cristians just like what you are doing. Nobody could really convinced me God's existance or he is a good God until one day He showed me his existance in Australia in 2007. ON that day, I kneeled down, and thanked his assistance. I do not want to explain what happened on me that day, but would like to tell you that God will show you his way some day. You will really experience his love. Maybe in your deep heart, you are longing for God to do something for you. do not worry, He will do it. He has his plan for you, just as he had his plan for me while I was questioning him. I have finished reading the Bible. I still cannot get answers of some questions. I do not think I am more familiar to the Bible than you. I am wondering if I can learn some knowledge of Bilble from you if you do not mind?

p.s. Although we see a lot of "bad" things in Bible, I do not think a normal hunman being is brave enough to write it in a history book which can exist more than 2000 years.

changlu · 发表于 2009-9-6 19:30

同感，谢谢

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-8 12:08

I am still looking for the answers of some questions although I believe in Christianity now. . h s5 l3 D/ ^$ ?8 H
seancanada 发表于 2009-9-6 18:23

对不明白的问题，正确的态度是质疑和否定，而不是盲目信教~
真理拥有完美的细节，真理是从来都是越辨越明的，谬论则相反，被质疑时，神棍就会说，你是不会明白的，只管信就行了~
你盲目地信了一个排它性很强的宗教，你可能就会永远错失了认识真理的机会~

seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-9 23:12

3# 高潮
After reading Bible, I learnt that the people, who claim they are Christians, are not necessarily real Christians because God may not like their behaviors. You are supposed to see those descriptions in Bible many times.

So you may not argue with real Christians. If your conclusion about Christianity is from fake Christians, do not you feel it is unfair for God? How do you know God agreed with those "Christians" who persecuted some scientists in the history?

p.s. God showed me his existence when I decide to believe in Christianity. So I was serious at that moment.

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 15:12

3# 高潮
5 Z5 o" C6 u+ f7 [1 T5 z who claim they are Christians, are not necessarily real Christians because God may not like their behaviors. " S4 \2 p7 w- H2 ~
seancanada 发表于 2009-9-10 00:12

那些不愿借钱给偶的基督徒，是不是“真正的基督徒”？如果偶问你借钱，你借不借？

3# 高潮 * c+ t3 L& G* p" D) z
God showed me his existence 9 [- K6 `7 a0 X8 c1 D$ t
seancanada 发表于 2009-9-10 00:12

how?

seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-10 16:59

Yes, I will lend money to you. but the amount will depend on the result of my assessment. Please tell me your family’s income, expense, bank information and last tax return information. It is pretty much like the procedure when you apply mortgage. I may contact your employer also.
The amount and the interest of your loan will depend on your real financial situation. I may wave your interest if you are in a very difficult situation.

I would not like to answer your second question because he did it just for me. Other people cannot real feel it. You will agree me when God do something just for you.

seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-10 17:03

Before I believed in Christianity, I thought I am a good man. But after that, I look back my life, and really want to say sorry to many people. So any arrogant people cannot be a real Christian because God said we should be humble.

I am not sure what your real purpose is. When I did what you are doing now, my real purpose was to attract God's attention, and hoped he can communicate with me. You may laugh at me because it is like a school boy's behavior at school. When he wants to attract a girl's attention, he often does something bad for her.

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 17:58

Yes, I will lend money to you. but the amount will depend on the result of my assessment. Please tell me your family’s income, expense, bank information and last tax return information. It is pretty ... s( ]: ]2 u/ b, C0 @5 ]* G
seancanada 发表于 2009-9-10 17:59

向你借钱这么复杂的呀？不知是依据圣经哪一章哪一节？
偶不打算告诉你偶的收入和任何个人信息，只给你一个账号，而且偶也没有打算还钱，你还借吗？

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 18:14

马太福音 6:19 不要为自己积攒财宝在地上，

come on, 把你的房子车子全部卖掉，然后把钱全部借给偶~

seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-10 18:23

8# 高潮

You are right. It is for preventing cheating. It is a rasonable way to identify what is real "borrow", what is fake "borrow". Fake "borrow" is not "borrow". It is cheating. why I should lend money to a person who just speak "borrow" for cheating?

If you point me by a gun, and say "borrow" money, should Cop not arrest you? and judge will forgive you?

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 18:51

I‘m not cheating, my account # is real, and I have never pointed you with a gun~

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 19:16

本帖最后由高潮于 2009-9-10 20:18 编辑

还是看看圣经的原话吧：
马太福音5
39 只是我告诉你们，不要与恶人作对。有人打你的右脸，连左脸也转过来由他打。
40 有人想要告你，要拿你的里衣，连外衣也由他拿去。
41 有人强逼你走一里路，你就同他走二里。
42 有求你的，就给他。有向你借贷的，不可推辞。

偶的理解是：只要是有人向你借贷的，就无条件地倾尽所有，立刻借出，而不论借钱的人是穷是富，将来还不还钱，提供的信息是否真实，对方是好人还是恶人~

为什么偶对圣经的理解总是和基督徒相差十万八千里？为什么基督徒总是有这样那样的理由不马上转钱到偶的户口？也从来没有基督徒承认自己是心不甘情不愿地借钱的，是什么原因？

seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-10 19:26

本帖最后由 seancanada 于 2009-9-10 20:30 编辑

i do not very understand your point.
I don't think "borrow" means " get other people's money and will not return it".
I can lend you 1 cent just for fun.
I can lend you a lot with high interest for making money.
I can lend you a lot without interest as long as you prove you are poor enough.
I can refuse to lend money to you because your "borrow" is not "borrow".

I definitely believe you already understand something.

Good luck.

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 19:52

i do not very understand your point.8 F& H( H4 C# }$ }: c) \" |) F) n
I don't think "borrow" means " get other people's money and will not return it". ( W; }# D+ Z* H* G
I can lend you 1 cent just for fun.
. ?8 f( h+ ]" f( A& l( V: PI can lend you a lot with high interest f .... U" _: D, u) `4 p; n% N" f
seancanada 发表于 2009-9-10 20:26

不要再纠缠是借还是骗了，看看这句：有人想要告你，要拿你的里衣，连外衣也由他拿去。
你不觉得你所列出的东西非常可笑么？
难道承认自己不情愿借就那么难？难道偶就真的会用枪指着你的头要你借钱？

某些基督徒，信了教后，反而变得比一般人还虚伪，唉.........耶稣看了也要吐血~

seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-10 19:56

why it is so difficult for you to prove you are not cheating?

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 20:02

why it is so difficult for you to prove you are not cheating?! p+ p+ n' ?9 _
seancanada 发表于 2009-9-10 20:56

偶的理解是，无论偶是不是骗你，只要偶开口问你要钱了，你就要无条件地给偶钱，所以偶根本无需证明自己是不是在骗你~
请你认真看看12楼的那几句经文，偶的理解是否正确？偶向你要一千，你应该给偶两千才对~
而你的有关“ cheating”就不给钱的前提条件出自圣经何处？还是你擅自在耶稣的说话上加上自己的条款？

seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-10 20:15

而你的有关“ cheating”就不给钱的前提条件出自圣经何处？还是你擅自在耶稣的说话上加上自己的条款？
cheating is not borrowing. why I should give money to you? Does Bible say "cheating" is "borrowing"? it should be a language issue.

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 20:17

而你的有关“ cheating”就不给钱的前提条件出自圣经何处？还是你擅自在耶稣的说话上加上自己的条款？
; Z1 N9 \. g& K0 w) A! Icheating is not borrowing. why I should give money to you? Does Bible say "cheating" is "borrowing"? it ...3 p: `# C8 n$ V
seancanada 发表于 2009-9-10 21:15

偶不是说了吗？不要再纠缠是借还是骗了：
40       有人想要告你，要拿你的里衣，连外衣也由他拿去。
      41       有人强逼你走一里路，你就同他走二里。
      42       有求你的，就给他。有向你借贷的，不可推辞。

seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-10 20:25

but why you always say "borrow" to others before? We have always been talking about "borrow".
Tell me why you do not want to mention it now?
You have to admit you were wrong before then we can talk other issues.

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 20:31

but why you always say "borrow" to others before? We have always been talking about "borrow".4 D4 D! c2 l1 E) c9 L6 o
Tell me why you do not want to mention it now?2 g# y6 i. F/ V
You have to admit you were wrong before then we can talk ...6 F& o, R* a9 y7 O
seancanada 发表于 2009-9-10 21:25

好了，鉴于偶说借的话，你就会找出藉口不借，
现在偶不借了，偶直接求你给钱偶（没还的），你给不给？

seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-10 20:42

本帖最后由 seancanada 于 2009-9-10 21:52 编辑

you must say you are wrong first. I did not find any excuse for refusing lending you money. The problem is you cannot prove you are not cheating. When you apply a mortgage, I believe the procedure is more strict. would you say Bank is finding excuses for not lending you money?

seancanada · 发表于 2009-9-10 20:51

I am in up up north today. I have to go to bed now. Talk you tomorrow.
Good night.

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 20:55

本帖最后由高潮于 2009-9-10 22:04 编辑

you must say you are wrong first. I did not find any excuse for refusing lending you money. The problem is you cannot prove you are not cheating. When you apply a mortgage, I believe the procedure is ...
& r7 e- ^6 x. T" q) H2 dseancanada 发表于 2009-9-10 21:42

你是不是找藉口，就看你是否答应20楼的要求了，口说无凭是没用的~
偶说自己是耶稣下凡呀，你信吗？
偶现在不是向你借钱了，是直接向你要钱，所以根本没有什么Cheating的问题，偶骗你什么了？（其实无论是借钱还是要钱，无论有否cheating，按圣经的说法，你都应该无条件地给钱），你为什么老是拿Cheating做挡箭牌？这不得不让偶怀疑你是不是真的有诚意给钱~

爱城闲人 · 发表于 2009-9-10 21:01

好了，鉴于偶说借的话，你就会找出藉口不借，
% J0 K5 h' V. t4 ]3 l现在偶不借了，偶直接求你给钱偶（没还的），你给不给？# m% e# F) r8 J {4 b; M
高潮发表于 2009-9-10 21:31

耶稣又说：“有求你的，就给他；有向你借贷的，不可推辞。”从前借着摩西也曾赐下同样的教训：“你的弟兄中若有一个穷人，你不可忍着心，撂着手，不帮补你穷乏的弟兄。总要向他松开手，照他所缺的借给他，补他的不足。”(申15:7,8)这段经文说明了救主话语所含的意义。基督并未教我们不分皂白地去邦补一切前来求助的人；他乃是说：你总要“照他所缺乏的借给他；”而这里的“借”乃是“赠予”而非“贷予”的意思；因为我们乃“要借给人，不指望偿还。”(路 6:35)

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 21:11

基督并未教我们不分皂白地去邦补一切前来求助的人；
, d/ ~! S( t) s, J! _ n( @爱城闲人发表于 2009-9-10 22:01

摩西的说话比耶稣的说话更权威？还有以下经文如何解释？
39  只是我告诉你们，不要与恶人作对。有人打你的右脸，连左脸也转过来由他打。
40  有人想要告你，要拿你的里衣，连外衣也由他拿去。
41  有人强逼你走一里路，你就同他走二里。

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 21:14

耶稣又说：“有求你的，就给他；有向你借贷的，不可推辞。”从前借着摩西也曾赐下同样的教训：“你的弟兄中若有一个穷人，你不可忍着心，撂着手，不帮补你穷乏的弟兄。总要向他松开手，照他所缺的借给他，补他的不 ...8 d' W5 ]( k N& D/ F( z3 g
爱城闲人发表于 2009-9-10 22:01

另外，圣经还说：不要为自己积攒财宝在地上（马太福音 6:19 ），你做得如何，你有没有银行存款？

爱城闲人 · 发表于 2009-9-10 21:30

借钱的事谈完了？

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-10 21:42

借钱的事谈完了？( ~; s' G/ T: |* B* l
爱城闲人发表于 2009-9-10 22:30

楼主找藉口要睡觉，溜了呀，你为什么不回答26楼的问题？

Xxian · 发表于 2009-9-11 17:19

28# 高潮

沒事上來看看，高姐姐還是那樣所向無敵！

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《走出圣经》
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祝繼續所向無敵！

高潮 · 发表于 2009-9-11 17:44

一点小小技巧，就可以把基督徒那道貌岸然的画皮撕个粉碎~
其实基督徒稍微真诚一点，承认自己不愿借钱，有多难呢？但他们偏偏喜欢伪君子所为，说一套做一套，打肿脸充胖子，真是令人作呕~

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