关于鸭子湖: Duck Lake or Goose Lake

arbo

那天路过鸭子湖，我说我们中国人叫 Hawrelak Park为鸭子湖。朋友问为什么。我开玩笑说，我们中国人不会发那个名字的音。
3 o% J% n* D" H- L: _朋友说，你也发不好 Duck Lake 的音。
4 j" J7 T  \5 Y  e7 J$ Z! H我想了想，是的。下次改叫 Goose Lake。

伊人

好

suvescape

Goose 中的oo,就一定能发好么?

arbo

I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
% c/ r# N6 ~/ ]& mI am working on it now, any suggestions?

billzhao

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 14:03
$ T' D) D' O( ?" dI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
' c. }4 X5 }2 B4 ~1 P* p4 [, BI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

which sound?
d or u

arbo

Come on, I am not an Indian.

billzhao

hehe, right, Indians cannot say d

jsw

我的理解是：
再复杂的读音，你把他标好后，先一个音节一个音节的分开读，然后连起来读。
等到你觉得整个单词读得正确了，就重复读个100遍。这样应该能解决了。
+ l9 O! ^# z* g8 R* M如果一次不行，你就每天找个时间练。可以把那个音标贴在门上或放在你电脑前... 就像卖油翁那样。。。

Crisis

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
2 q0 R6 \2 ^: x0 ]% \I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
# x5 K- z9 `4 Y% U! g! R, @I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出现的元音－－－所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！
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如何发？有两种方法供参考，如下：

0 N# j: c* Q! M% S2 d, `/ g１、在面部肌肉放松，口腔肌肉包括舌头也放松的情况下，要么用手使劲捏自己勃子的喉结处（女性请参考男性的相关位置），直到自己实在忍受不住了，而发出声音，要么，用自己的拳头对准胸部使劲捶打一下，很意外地发出来的声音，就象了。

6 Q& K3 q' v  s( A2 j! {3 }２、或者，可以参考当地人发CANADA时的尾音－－－原音a，将其应用到所有单词中的同样发音中

3. 最后，谁给suvescape扔鸡蛋了？人家一片好心，却被误解。赶紧送鲜花补上吧。suvescape是对的，oo的音其实更难发，很多人尤其是同胞以为发对了，其实与正确的发音还相差甚远－－－正如咱以前那样。

arbo

I think they might be different. Duck is a stressed vowel.
Canada 的尾音－－－原音a is schwa.
' p- m0 f) D/ n  [' e# iCan you explain?

arbo

I checked it again. You are right: it is also a schwa.

arbo

One useful link: http://www.pronuncian.com/Lessons/Default.aspx?Lesson=98

jsw

Crisis 发表于 2012-3-15 08:38
如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出 ...

* Y" \. q2 e- U: H# J& x; O<所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！>
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+ t# h; T4 d* g8 E3 u* JCrisis: 这几个元音字母非重读的音是/&#601;/吧。
　　　当然，赖哥似乎是把它和/&#652;/等同的。我个人有点怀疑。
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　　　我个人觉得duck还是应该读成/d&#652;k/,而不是/d&#601;k/，就像bus应该读成/b&#652;s/而不是/b&#601;s/......
         当然，很多人分别读成/dak/,/bas/，这样就失去了应有的“声音往下压，短促”的韵味了，给人一种“拖沓”的声音感觉。(中文双引号中内容只是我个人的发音体会的描述。)

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
! _2 f/ _, \# O2 t5 ^# m. p# dI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
8 l* x2 v0 n, }9 K! K' }+ nI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

0 t0 _8 i  `4 t* n) V能把oo发对很不容易呀。
) l; F+ Y' s' u1 a2 ~我以前就分不清full和fool，像云吞有个帖子里说得那样。

duck的u发不准，是不是和Arbo的方言背景有关？不是你老家在那个区域......

arbo

To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
: W" Z: n& y# NI think my local dialect doesn't interfere with my English. The problem is the British accent.

月如钩

Hawrelak的音标是什么？

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-3-16 09:54
1 t# b4 o3 B- t2 B' P; m1 j' J: E$ }To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
I think my local dialect doesn't ...

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- S7 i# P0 [1 x, L/ q: @5 b3 b$ gFurther, those who can speak more than one dialect are better able to produce sounds in a foreign language. I learned that from a linguistics book written by 桂灿昆.

月如钩

http://www.box.com/s/838e14f49f4d1c390324
7 U% u3 b  D) F7 s这个发音对吗？

arbo

I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

月如钩

arbo 发表于 2012-3-19 17:13
I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

: b/ P/ b3 @  A$ wThanks! Just google it and got such one as follows,
; k4 K. u  u& k/ g1 yI believe it's HAV-ri-lak. The name is Ukranian. It is often transliterated into English with a "v," not a "w." (William Hawrelak was mayor of Edmonton in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s.)
6 @* R! f0 _4 ?! Y  w! vhttp://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2093383