关于鸭子湖: Duck Lake or Goose Lake

arbo

那天路过鸭子湖，我说我们中国人叫 Hawrelak Park为鸭子湖。朋友问为什么。我开玩笑说，我们中国人不会发那个名字的音。
% h. f0 b# ?* J& A& ]; u朋友说，你也发不好 Duck Lake 的音。
我想了想，是的。下次改叫 Goose Lake。

伊人

好

suvescape

Goose 中的oo,就一定能发好么?

arbo

I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestions?

billzhao

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 14:03
I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

which sound?
d or u

arbo

Come on, I am not an Indian.

billzhao

hehe, right, Indians cannot say d

jsw

我的理解是：
. H0 o! |3 ^1 O) K* c再复杂的读音，你把他标好后，先一个音节一个音节的分开读，然后连起来读。
% X, }/ ?$ O; ?0 o3 b+ H) s% x等到你觉得整个单词读得正确了，就重复读个100遍。这样应该能解决了。
如果一次不行，你就每天找个时间练。可以把那个音标贴在门上或放在你电脑前... 就像卖油翁那样。。。

Crisis

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arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
! X$ @1 U3 U7 H8 D6 D1 w1 EI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

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如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出现的元音－－－所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！

3 f* P# r) i9 B4 b- ]如何发？有两种方法供参考，如下：
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１、在面部肌肉放松，口腔肌肉包括舌头也放松的情况下，要么用手使劲捏自己勃子的喉结处（女性请参考男性的相关位置），直到自己实在忍受不住了，而发出声音，要么，用自己的拳头对准胸部使劲捶打一下，很意外地发出来的声音，就象了。

２、或者，可以参考当地人发CANADA时的尾音－－－原音a，将其应用到所有单词中的同样发音中
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1 g( e3 x- J  p1 @+ M3. 最后，谁给suvescape扔鸡蛋了？人家一片好心，却被误解。赶紧送鲜花补上吧。suvescape是对的，oo的音其实更难发，很多人尤其是同胞以为发对了，其实与正确的发音还相差甚远－－－正如咱以前那样。

arbo

I think they might be different. Duck is a stressed vowel.
3 w: J, E9 H* x  y- z( o3 m9 pCanada 的尾音－－－原音a is schwa.
9 M4 r9 |: S2 j: ~4 Y# b) L1 D. bCan you explain?

arbo

I checked it again. You are right: it is also a schwa.

arbo

One useful link: http://www.pronuncian.com/Lessons/Default.aspx?Lesson=98

jsw

Crisis 发表于 2012-3-15 08:38
  \0 u5 L2 `& R, m, E; B0 O如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出 ...

<所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！>

Crisis: 这几个元音字母非重读的音是/&#601;/吧。
　　　当然，赖哥似乎是把它和/&#652;/等同的。我个人有点怀疑。
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; t9 @# N3 A5 @( D7 Y' I　　　我个人觉得duck还是应该读成/d&#652;k/,而不是/d&#601;k/，就像bus应该读成/b&#652;s/而不是/b&#601;s/......
, C3 |, H) |5 y( V         当然，很多人分别读成/dak/,/bas/，这样就失去了应有的“声音往下压，短促”的韵味了，给人一种“拖沓”的声音感觉。(中文双引号中内容只是我个人的发音体会的描述。)

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

! U% L0 m9 E: O能把oo发对很不容易呀。
+ l  O9 F- k* a7 H, ]我以前就分不清full和fool，像云吞有个帖子里说得那样。

duck的u发不准，是不是和Arbo的方言背景有关？不是你老家在那个区域......

arbo

To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
I think my local dialect doesn't interfere with my English. The problem is the British accent.

月如钩

Hawrelak的音标是什么？

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-3-16 09:54
6 n. q+ P* q0 U3 aTo JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
I think my local dialect doesn't ...

Cool.
6 G7 Z" M, x" n5 k7 eFurther, those who can speak more than one dialect are better able to produce sounds in a foreign language. I learned that from a linguistics book written by 桂灿昆.

月如钩

http://www.box.com/s/838e14f49f4d1c390324
+ Q+ V3 z; p5 I这个发音对吗？

arbo

I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

月如钩

arbo 发表于 2012-3-19 17:13
" g) m: b6 h# U* j+ CI don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

Thanks! Just google it and got such one as follows,
' i0 X- B$ ?/ A- {6 ?5 M7 I1 b1 kI believe it's HAV-ri-lak. The name is Ukranian. It is often transliterated into English with a "v," not a "w." (William Hawrelak was mayor of Edmonton in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s.)
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