合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
嗯，很多牛人。的确是。

2 _) ^! M: j  l% d  M' |当然，也有混的啦

我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

+ ~9 H- X& f( S那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
# E8 @+ r. ^- {* |card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
3 K, v/ M- ~" }+ CI will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
2 |1 w* J4 s$ w# `" a. |me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
% h' T2 G8 M) R/ {, y还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

  V! Q- T! x' a9 r8 V. OIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
/ y& N( g4 z7 q% ^; o! pNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

+ u% w% D- ~" S2 X& g其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
7 W7 B- U5 M" w/ V其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

" i* x) H2 Q7 ^4 z9 l( Cno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
3 ^& y" i* ^* hI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
$ G  w3 e7 P+ {$ sask insurance company pay, no me!
# M9 w' Z! r6 zWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
. x5 J" B! ?5 s% m3 ~0 ^- e/ rno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it i ...

你还是没有理解我的话.

5 B, d6 b4 W6 p& I! WContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

3 V: x4 o+ x' ?( n- }, ]7 h而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?

象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

; }; m+ @& j1 J# U# f: VContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

5 ~# T3 }' c. e$ }& u  j8 l$ K' Gclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
+ n; w5 i6 l3 ~! F% k3 R: Q( M( M. fevery 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
# S" X; y" J# m' j0 dhow long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

1 R5 B5 X6 j5 T0 D( F: D! v$ SContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

7 o+ w7 h5 c9 B8 O: P1 S姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
6 l8 g% H2 U; t% F7 @Thanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
  e1 W6 e2 U0 @7 ?- Q四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

/ Q4 E" F/ P' G1 g我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.

象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
9 y& ^1 L5 u/ y! R) MI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
* h' i9 w+ C; LTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
0 J* h3 ^2 `, i# c! ?6 }* s- M, J我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
: ], O! O  d0 [4 k& S, M, t这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
  |6 B8 l, N) |% v- v. A8 b当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
. p6 J3 N( ?& _; O' r你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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4 I+ i' R, T8 S. C; J* j. R' zThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please

Dental Benefits Summary:
2 L0 f1 f9 x, R0 a* c0 H; N! Z" oBenefit Type         Payable At
       
Routine               
2 P/ T2 }: {8 S6 {        Basic                 100%
8 W/ H0 n- n" d) d; i        Endodontics                 100%
        Periodontics                 100%
        Preventative                 100%
3 T% |$ b( {$ K$ \( w" Z7 s       
( K$ a1 ]: V- g1 @( c4 W( L9 t        Global Medical Assistance         Covered

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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
$ A: l$ Z6 s) D+ o7 O3 D& fbecause  ...

谢谢你啊.
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& z7 I9 E( J6 [3 j9 V' T还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

8 G" @& l3 t( E7 i, A好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.

至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

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中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

) o3 `8 G( B8 R0 }3 X8 D1 a所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

- ~/ F% Z& ~& D$ a5 ~I will, thanks!
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
' e/ q. q9 e- N# v: F! j/ |management.