送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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For Employer:
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& _" [. i  f/ j" Q) D. i4 G6 m% OYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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% d+ Q; m" J/ `( n2 y! fhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.

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) ?; g  l* U+ j! MBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表


I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

3 _% r0 W* E( H. mplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表


  c5 X& l( R& t! ?: LUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

1 i$ r2 {  b' r: _7 N' gBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

. [* A  d* S$ a1 AYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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what's the logic there?

' ^; N# Q4 m0 ^% E% H. c( z* n* \when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表


/ x9 M& i# f. ]' rplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表

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( p) t- Q4 M, s6 s; B* \; @Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

. s) C% v2 i0 R6 jThe exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

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写中文吧，各位～～

elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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* i4 h# ?) W& q( ETo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
/ [( e) b' Y4 L8 G9 AThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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2 ?* X0 X: H3 {4 p1 SOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表

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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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when you are talking about ...

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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8 R' d+ U; ^; c0 TI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

5 U, T2 {' M; |7 M+ b4 Ait's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  

right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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don't use big words that you don't understand.   

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  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:

猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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想跟着灌，插不进嘴～

OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！
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没有人找到加国的税法？我是没辄，公司的LAP　TOP给BLOCK了　

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
well, just for clarification purpose

i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.
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这小妮子真要讲理哈！

- v% s7 e  }2 ~大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。

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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

) B( L) r6 k' ^% zthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去

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elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
又搞这么多英语

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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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# g. p3 O7 j1 x( }9 y$ ?i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.

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你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!
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还是灌水的正事儿要紧

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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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9 a( A0 e" }/ R看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

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francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状

9 O+ Q4 ]) w1 r9 u: f1 w: U1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
2 再问是否需要点其他的，
3 再问是否送得太慢，
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3 Z! d; m0 U+ Y9 E5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这些招数值得一试。
  w; @$ p* v0 P# }5 B; T我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

hahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表

真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

9 I8 k1 u, u5 i+ N, h) \唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
/ b% ~5 d9 x: o7 f# M2 `再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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2 再问是否需要点其他的，
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3 D8 f( R* r( C* ^1 U$ {4 在问是否服务太差。
4 b/ x% I3 e& S' s7 \( s0 D* y5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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6 H2 Y/ f; Z+ Z% G" _( J  N: Z: j' s唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉，三大妈有空也来吧，咱好好给他讲讲～

  N( j$ I8 g- K+ Z$ u笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  

2 M0 c  ~  i( L$ [' O5 v咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  

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