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女童被撞后遭二次碾压 先后18人漠视仅拾荒者伸援手

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发表于 2011-10-18 08:33 | 显示全部楼层
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Beijing (CNN) -- Gruesome footage of a toddler falling victim to two successive hit-and-run accidents and then being ignored by many passers-by at the scene last week in southern China continued to galvanize the nation Monday, prompting a fierce debate on the state of morality in Chinese society.
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( Q% `) o' b$ ?A security camera captured the horrific incident last Thursday outside a hardware market in Foshan, Guangdong Province. Two-year-old Wang Yue was seen toddling in the middle of a narrow street and looking around, oblivious to a fast-approaching white van.
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( r" V: w! m+ AThe disturbing video shows the van knocking the girl over. The driver briefly stops with the girl underneath the van, before continuing on, its rear tires slowly rolling over her small body. The girl is left barely moving in her own blood as several pedestrians and cyclists pass by.% G  [5 o( d% p( v
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Minutes later, another small truck drives over Wang without slowing down, the video shows. More passers-by walked, cycled or drove around her motionless body without stopping -- until a woman carrying a sack appeared 10 minutes after the initial collision. Dropping her sack, she quickly moved the girl to safety and went to look for help.
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Wang remained in critical condition Monday afternoon in a military hospital in the nearby city of Guangzhou, her father told CNN.
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Psychologist explains 'bystander apathy' "I'm still so worried," said Wang Chichang, who runs a hardware store in the Foshan market, as he waited for updates from doctors.
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At the time of the accident, Wang was busy tending his shop while his wife was hanging laundry, and neither noticed their daughter had wandered outside, state media reported.) g+ `% A5 s0 h8 q! Y7 ?0 _8 u
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"I feel helpless and angry," the father said. "Had one passer-by stopped to help earlier, this whole thing wouldn't have been so tragic."& H0 J* @7 P$ u, k: A. w
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Police have caught and detained both drivers, state media reported. Wang, the father, told CNN that the van driver had earlier called to offer the family money, but refused to turn himself in.
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The heroine in the video turned out to be a 58-year-old scavenger named Chen Xianmei.
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"Blood was coming out her nose and mouth," Chen told local reporters. "I didn't understand why no one else had carried her from the street."
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1 n* }( B* y/ p" z; H9 pIn emotional video posted online, the girl's wailing mother bows on her hands and knees, her forehead resting on the ground at Chen's feet -- a symbol of extreme deference to show the family's deep gratitude for her daughter's rescuer. The mother is inconsolable as loved ones lead her -- her body as limp as a rag doll's -- from the scene.6 R6 S$ ?5 o5 ^0 {# T

' m' C; p) _' f/ P$ pThe grainy footage of the accidents went viral on Chinese Internet within minutes of posting. By Monday afternoon, it had become the most viewed topic on Sina Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter, with more than 4 million tweets discussing the video.
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"This kind of news sends chills down my spine every time," a user named "the silent wolverine" wrote. "We once believed in a world filled with love and were taught by the government on maintaining high moral standards -- but the cold reality just keeps flying in the face of our belief."- ~" @4 P. T: {
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Echoing such sentiment, Wang's father said her tragedy is more than just personal.
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"If our society continues to be like this, my child's case won't be the last one," he said.
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4 f. n2 o. P( t( WWhile netizens directed their anger on the indifferent passers-by and lamented vanishing morality in society, many also see a glimmer of hope through Chen's action.4 U& J0 k+ I/ `6 ~  G

/ J$ ^' q* `& d3 G"The scavenger probably never imagined she was actually 'richer' than many of us," user "Van-stephen" commented on Weibo. "She follows her conscience, which many of us have already lost."
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% A* r- |0 K1 u9 }% W7 M$ o, vIn recent years, assisting victims in traffic accidents or other emergency situations has become controversial in China. In an attempt to cover costly medical expenses, several senior citizens, injured in accidents that were their own fault, turned against people who helped them at the scene by suing the good Samaritans for compensation, according to state media.
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Despite the potential trouble and some criticism that she was seeking fame, Chen appeared unfazed.) {8 Q, v9 v3 _5 q+ F# x. [
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"I didn't think of anything at the time," she told local reporters. "I just wanted to save the girl."
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发表于 2011-10-18 08:36 | 显示全部楼层
中国连公布官员个人财产的法律都通不过,说明党不想让人民知道他们豢养的禽兽到底搜刮了多少民脂民膏。这些衣冠禽兽的恶行是社会风气败坏的重要原因。
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发表于 2011-10-18 08:37 | 显示全部楼层
你就不能认输一次?& S: A! Z5 [( k2 p' w" I6 ~
浪里黑条 发表于 2011-10-18 09:28
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2 b" I' v4 K& [: GLet's dig the truth out.
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发表于 2011-10-18 08:37 | 显示全部楼层
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这条新闻在全世界很多国家包括美加的主流媒体得到广泛报道,世界人民现在普遍认为中国人是一个残忍冷酷的民族。SHAMED WE ARE!
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发表于 2011-10-18 08:40 | 显示全部楼层
Was this news reported world-wide?
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我们仍然要坚决声讨中国车压小孩事件里的无情路人。
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发表于 2011-10-18 08:44 | 显示全部楼层
You do not need to and he does not need either. - l6 j* n; l3 P( k. j6 g7 Z
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Let's dig the truth out.
: M) z& R9 o0 t- _& c$ aFrankSoccer 发表于 2011-10-18 09:37

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what truth then? : _; P/ s, \( G% j  C
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% Z- N0 C. J0 b/ ~' T" |17 people walked away without any reactions, and now, you officially switch the topic to the whole Chinese population and some darn mathimatics or even stastics?+ X. e; c# x0 ]
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you even ask if all the relatives of Sun and Beach will do the same or not.+ H0 e) K3 R' Q, g6 z0 L
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are you ok?
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seriously.
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发表于 2011-10-18 08:50 | 显示全部楼层
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The truth is:
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It is NOTtrue that 17 or 18 in the whole Chinese population (1.23+ billion people) will NOThelp that little girl.
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-18 08:53 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 nowave 于 2011-10-18 09:54 编辑
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The truth is:
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9 P' G- ]" g0 b9 w* D7 \% xIt is NOTtrue that 17 or 18 in the whole Chinese population (1.23+ billion people) will NOThelp that little girl.- `1 A8 U, u/ k; I
FrankSoccer 发表于 2011-10-18 09:50

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除了你本人,我没看到有谁自始至终在纠缠17/18这个数字
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6 Z) w* b- K) Z8 u3 @" C你已经赢了一次了,何苦还揪住不放?4 ^' K$ @8 O  R  T

' U9 l# R. ?. D, m2 m+ I6 d这是个简单的概率问题吗?
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The truth is: 6 }/ C0 j/ j7 r" e- q& l" q/ t0 `
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It is NOTtrue that 17 or 18 in the whole Chinese population (1.23+ billion people) will NOThelp that little girl.- M1 {2 b8 x7 o: J3 B/ m6 @7 U
FrankSoccer 发表于 2011-10-18 09:50
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9 }" t$ V+ n" C4 Ythen give us an example to prove your point.
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发表于 2011-10-18 08:55 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
整个社会开始失去人性了。当政府习惯了杀人灭口,老百姓也只是跟着走而已。 各扫门前雪,也是“互不干涉内政”外交的延续。 有了钱,有了权,一切都摆得平。在这个社会,道德和正义还没有卫生纸值钱。
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说的好!
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发表于 2011-10-18 08:57 | 显示全部楼层
Was this news reported world-wide?
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7 e# e. p% w' P6 v2 D当然,这不能作为中国17/18 事件的任何解释或者借口4 t$ E# c6 Z3 s9 p* K0 h3 R: @

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FrankSoccer 发表于 2011-10-18 09:40
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+ d2 L$ S" \, b6 o' u我真的一直都比班上的最后一名成绩好~~~) z/ |1 Z+ g* j- k9 C  d
我也觉得这个不能作为我不是班上第一名的借口~~~
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:01 | 显示全部楼层
让投票结果来说明一些事情吧...- T# O( u6 n. e1 M

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除了你本人,我没看到有谁自始至终在纠缠17/18这个数字, H5 e( U% [2 w! J2 c

! c( t' s% f6 ]4 `) f, a5 A你已经赢了一次了,何苦还揪住不放?# J# x) V& r: p& ?
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这是个简单的概率问题吗?
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As I said in Feng-ting, we can not use one sample to judge the whole population. 4 W2 D; S5 _5 Q' y3 J: T7 q' Z& h5 t

" \9 ~8 e& j7 i5 g6 K* T5 QFrom this incident one may say that many Chinese are low now. However, we can not conclude the whole chinese population is this low., z4 X  |# s* C

4 c3 S2 X# t) d, i# _You and a few others simply said the whole Chinese population is low. Did I understand you wrong?
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:07 | 显示全部楼层
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then give us an example to prove your point.. n6 S3 D+ y6 o) p
浪里黑条 发表于 2011-10-18 09:54
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if you, I, he, she, .... look into our own family and friends, find 18 that are close to you, decide how many will certainly help, how many will probably help, how many will probably not help, how many will certainly not help.
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0 s: w6 Q% c, j8 h" NIf all of us or most of us find that 17/18 or about 95% will not help, it proves I was wrong.
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:16 | 显示全部楼层
我真的一直都比班上的最后一名成绩好~~~
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I was the one being only better than the 最后一名. I protested seriously when my dad beat me for not making the third from the last.
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Did I understand you wrong again?* u, Y$ [0 [/ b3 ~6 C

: L. l' e) H* T8 {( M( H( s) q(My post was to see if CNN, BBC, .... showed interest in that news - 25 did not help and let the woman die). However, it was not absolutely a basis of any argument that some of our Chinese fellows did not help that poor girl.
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:17 | 显示全部楼层
if you, I, he, she, .... look into our own family and friends, find 18 that are close to you, decide how many will certainly help, how many will probably help, how many will probably not help, how ...4 a' A$ j% @& y0 s; W7 G2 I# T# w
FrankSoccer 发表于 2011-10-18 10:07
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我来替你说吧,这是一个偶然事件,小概率事件,美国也有类似的事情。正好一批"坏人"碰巧聚到一起。政府是无辜的,小孩是无辜的,应该把这批"坏人"绳之以法。我表述清楚了吗?
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:19 | 显示全部楼层
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Yes, you are right.
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But we can not simply say the whole chinese population (with a proportion of 17/18) or whole USA population (25/25) are "bad" guys.
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:21 | 显示全部楼层
最使我出离愤怒的是,居然有人说那个拾荒的阿姨是为了要出名!!
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:23 | 显示全部楼层
Mr Soccer, if you wanna challenge your logic capability, please send an invitation to Professor Yellow, I m pretty confident that he is the best bang for your effort. Also, if you are willing to test your mathematics/statics, then Sweetlele will help you out without any hesitation. Currently, he arguably ranks the number one in the academic among Edmontonchina.
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For those others, like me and sun/beach, we don’t know if our relatives would offer help or not. They are individuals from us and they have their own thoughts which we cannot simply tell.
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Years ago, our (not you, you are Canadian already, sorry) government launched a nice designed clip onto time square in New York City for a purpose of propaganda. And now, this sad story was on the top list of CNN.  ; y4 `! D3 l6 J
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What happened when the audience read the story, I don’t know honestly. But I don’t think that many guys are going to dig out a mathematic book and starts calculation.
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:23 | 显示全部楼层
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关键是这本不改对自己有害的善事在非正常社会下有害了
8 u3 ]- D- u, {3 V+ z我们是不是该更多的思考如何改善这个社会
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:25 | 显示全部楼层
我来替你说吧,这是一个偶然事件,小概率事件,美国也有类似的事情。正好一批"坏人"碰巧聚到一起。政府是无辜的,小孩是无辜的,应该把这批"坏人"绳之以法。我表述清楚了吗?
' q& \5 h' x0 G( _费莫 发表于 2011-10-18 10:17
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you learns so fast.
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:31 | 显示全部楼层
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Yes, you are right.
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But we can not simply say the whole chinese population (with a proportion of 17/18) or whole USA population (25/25) are "bad" guys.
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我说这不是偶然事件,是必然事件。没有被摄像机拍摄下来的类似事件成千上万。人民不都是"坏人",这没有错。但是,那17个人的反映绝对代表了大多数中国大陆人在遇到这种情况时的正常反映。为什么会这样?是社会现实教育了人们,你不能伸出援助之手,如果你去帮忙了,你就要受到惩罚,不是奖励,是惩罚!这种社会现实是谁造成的?政府。所以,该被谴责的不是那几个人,而是逼良为娼,抑善扬恶的政府。
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:31 | 显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 FrankSoccer 于 2011-10-18 10:32 编辑
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Well, they are most probably in the 17/18 basket as we already "concluded" that 17/18 of all chinese are bad, rotten eggs now.
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I am kidding because I believe most of them are not. Your family, his family, my family and many, many other families are in the good egg basket. That single incident can not represent whole China.
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:35 | 显示全部楼层
"For those others, like me and sun/beach, we don’t know if our relatives would offer help or not. They are individuals from us and they have their own thoughts which we cannot simply tell."" F3 I5 y5 `$ R& z; X, a# o, S

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4 i, j: k/ v% N6 N, N8 V+ _( ?Sorry, but I think my family falls into that bad eggs basket.3 h8 h$ H, D8 w5 n' g9 b5 p! |
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I think NONE of them would offer help.
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' v9 r4 c( c/ f4 V2 t1 G- ]0 SNow, what are you going to say ?
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:36 | 显示全部楼层
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我说这不是偶然事件,是必然事件。没有被摄像机拍摄下来的类似事件成千上万。人民不都是"坏人",这没有错。但是,那17个人的反映绝对代表了大多数中国大陆人在遇到这种情况时的正常反映。为什么会这样?是社会现实教育了人们,你不能伸出援助之手,如果你去帮忙了,你就要受到惩罚,不是奖励,是惩罚!这种社会现实是谁造成的?政府。所以,该被谴责的不是那几个人,而是逼良为娼,抑善扬恶的政府。# T4 o" V6 i8 B, i- I
费莫 发表于 2011-10-18 10:31
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鲜花(541) 鸡蛋(13)
发表于 2011-10-18 09:37 | 显示全部楼层
我说这不是偶然事件,是必然事件。没有被摄像机拍摄下来的类似事件成千上万。人民不都是"坏人",这没有错。但是,那17个人的反映绝对代表了大多数中国大陆人在遇到这种情况时的正常反映。为什么会这样?是社会现 ...
1 w+ e4 F! Q1 G/ d: o! k费莫 发表于 2011-10-18 10:31

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I agree with you that many Chinese are 正常反映. As I said earlier:
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1. we valued money over everything else
5 |, g5 T0 E+ x& w2. we destroyed many of our heroes (esp. those who helped other selflessly) and our culture 1 p4 f2 y' a8 r  z4 d+ C, w" L
3. we had that stupid Nanjing judge who punished a helper in an accident.
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发表于 2011-10-18 09:37 | 显示全部楼层
发生啥事了?连黑条都开始讲英文了?
鲜花(541) 鸡蛋(13)
发表于 2011-10-18 09:39 | 显示全部楼层
Sorry, but I think my family falls into that bad eggs basket.1 V% q1 q* f( Y; x

2 g8 ]* S, J: E: O( D; \/ PI think NONE of them would offer help.
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Now, what are you going to say ?
2 \7 `8 G6 F3 W) X0 u) {浪里黑条 发表于 2011-10-18 10:35

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发表于 2011-10-18 09:39 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
发生啥事了?连黑条都开始讲英文了?+ s. G3 W1 _8 v  Y6 Z9 p
猪刀小试 发表于 2011-10-18 10:37
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: _$ Y% e( h/ L$ BBecaue I can not type and understand Chinese
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-18 09:40 | 显示全部楼层
我说这不是偶然事件,是必然事件。没有被摄像机拍摄下来的类似事件成千上万。人民不都是"坏人",这没有错。但是,那17个人的反映绝对代表了大多数中国大陆人在遇到这种情况时的正常反映。为什么会这样?是社会现 ...
$ C  T% m) ]. P. C4 b; U费莫 发表于 2011-10-18 10:31

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不过在很多人的观念里不愿意去考虑深层次的原因,似乎让中国人变得冷血的就是南京一个法官
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) Z9 Q7 p# _$ G( x6 U如果中国人引以为荣的道德体系被一个判决轻易击溃,是不是也太脆弱了些?
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